Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/02/Category:Panoramics

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Category:Panoramics and all subcategories

I propose changing all instances of "panoramics" to "panoramic views photographs". "Panoramic" is not considered to be a noun by oxforddictionaries.com nor by merriam-webster.com. Ham II (talk) 08:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest changing it from "panoramics" to "panoramic photographs" instead of "panoramic views". The essence of this category is that the files in it consist of photographs which have been stitched together. The present parent category is "Category:Panoramic photography" which would also make "Category:Panoramic photographs" a logical name. - Takeaway (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm happy with that; "panoramic photographs" is also more precise. I've changed the nomination text. Ham II (talk) 05:59, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Takeaway: Not all panoramic photographs have been stitched. There are cameras that take panoramic photos. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Please note that Category:Panoramic paintings, Category:Panoramic videos‎, Panorama buildings‎ and Panoramic drawings‎ are sub-categories of Category:Panoramics. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

They should be subcategories of Category:Panoramas instead, alongside Category:Panoramic photographs. Ham II (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

The noun form of panoramic is panorama (pl. panoramas). However, panoramic photographs would be suitable if separation of photographs from drawings and videos is intended. --Xeror (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

What I'm proposing is a change of scope as well as a change of name for Category:Panoramics; Category:Panoramas already exists for panoramas in general, so there's no need for an additional "Panoramics" category, but there is an obvious use for a "Panoramic photographs" category. Ham II (talk) 10:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ham II: I'd support creating Category:Panoramic photographs (and a tree of sub-categories) and moving any non-photograph panoramas/panoramics and their categories up to Category:Panoramas. - Themightyquill (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I've made some progress here, but there is still more to be done. Themightyquill (talk) 15:53, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I support a new order in panoramas and also the new name "panoramic photographs". In the past I have been moving standard pictures - not stiched or otherwise assembled - to other categories which have been filed under panoramics as in some languages "panorama" or its derivatives also means a "nice view". I therefore strongly suggest that in the header of the category there should be a clear description of the type of photographs - stiched ones - which should be filed under this category tree. Simisa (talk) 07:28, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Simisa: Please see my earlier post below below. For stitched images we have Category:Stitched images, and some panoramic photographs that are wide views don't require stitching at all, see Category:Panoramic cameras or en:Category:Panoramic cameras. --Sitacuisses (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

There is still some clarification needed about the definitions and the scope of the Panoramics/Panorama categories. Since they lack category descriptions, one has to look elsewhere for a definition. According to en:Panoramic photography, the defining characteristic is the wide aspect ratio. It's not the fact that the images are stitched together. We have Category:Stitched images for that. There are panoramic cameras that don't require stitching at all, and you can also create a wide aspect ratio by cropping a single photograph. Therefore it's incorrect to place Category:Panoramic photography directly below "Category:Stitched images". Some subcategories of "Category:Stitched images" are already named "Stitched panoramics of ...". This looks like an adequate concept for categorizing the intersection between "stitched images" and "panoramic photographs".
Also, why is Category:Landscapes currently a subcategory of Category:Panoramas? --Sitacuisses (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the wide aspect ratio, and the fact that it's of a view, are the defining characteristics of a panorama. Oxforddictionaries.com gives (as meaning #1.1) "A picture or photograph containing a wide view." (Oddly, Merriam-Webster doesn't have a definition that matches this.) So I suggest that our working definition should be "views, of scenery or interiors, with a wide aspect ratio;" the question then is how do we define a wide aspect ratio. Once we've agreed on a definition of "panorama" it should be added to the header of Category:Panoramas.

Re the intersection of "stitched images" and "panoramic photographs", I think that the category tree should go Category:Panoramas → Category:Panoramic photographs → Category:Stitched panoramic photographs.

I've removed Category:Panoramas from Category:Stitched images, and Category:Landscapes from Category:Panoramas. Ham II (talk) 08:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

• I agree that "panoramic" is an adjective and not a noun. You have "panoramic photographs" and "panoramas" - both correct. Since this is the English Wikipedia, I think we should use English. Bubba73 (talk) 22:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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closing discussion: moving the cat tree to "panoramic photographs of xyz".--RoyZuo (talk) 09:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@RoyZuo: I would like to add something to consider: A panoramic painting or panoramic drawing might go with "panoramas" or "panoramic views", but not with "panoramic photographs".

If consensus is established and adjusted globally, "panoramas" would be more beneficial (more including) compared to "panoramic photographs". Greets Triplec85 (talk) 10:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@RoyZuo: If you meant to do a final closure on this discussion, please do the relevant formatting (with header and footer templates). Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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closed. the new cat tree will be:

panoramas

panoramic photographs

panoramic paintings

panoramic videos

...

most cats currently present will be moved to "panoramic photographs of ...". it will take a long time to finish moving.--RoyZuo (talk) 21:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

notes

1. subcats should use "of" as preposition (similar to subcats of Category:Photographs by country Category:Views by country Category:Paintings by depicted country), e.g. Category:Panoramas of New York City.
   existing cats using "in" should be moved and become redirects to using "of", e.g. Category:Panoramas in Belgium redirects to Category:Panoramas of Belgium.
2. subcats of Category:Panoramic videos should use "from" as preposition to conform to the format of Category:Videos by country.

--RoyZuo (talk) 10:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

More notes for work:

Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/02/Category:Panoramics of cities

/workplace (careful! LARGE page).--RoyZuo (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)