Jmabel

From 3 September 2024 to 21 October 2024 I will be traveling, mostly in Romania. I may be less available here on Commons than usual.

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Parentless categories

Hello! I understand your concerns completely. Every category I made here is for projects that started and soon will be filled with files and photos. Some of the project leaders had issues with making categories so I made instead of them. Hope you understand. Regards, Milena Milenkovic (VMRS) (talk) 06:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Not to butt in or tell you what to do, but why not wait until the files and photographs are actually being hosted on Commons to create the categories? That's the usual practice. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Milena Milenkovic (VMRS): then please add appropriate parent categories to these categories you created. Otherwise, they show up in Special:UncategorizedCategories, and if they are empty, someone is likely to delete them. If you actually intend them to be used, I'm glad I asked, because usually I wouldn't.

Also (less important), if you create a category description (1) the description doesn't need to say it is a category, any more than the description of a photo needs to say it is a photo and (2) you should indicate with a language template what language the description is in (in this case, {{Sr}}, since categories may have descriptions in multiple languages.

If that isn't enough to guide how you should do this, please feel free to ask at the help desk and someone can help you through this.

Also, generally, you should answer a question where it is asked, not on the talk page of the person who asked it. It can be very confusing when conversations get split over two (or more) pages, like this. - Jmabel ! talk 14:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

FYI

This account Laurel Lodged is categorized as "Wikipedia users banned by the Arbitration Committee". The ban on Wikipedia is for essentially the same behavior as is problematic on the Commons. See "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute". Krok6kola (talk) 01:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Although the area of work was the same, the ban was for "misgendering users, making comments about other editors' mental health…, using incendiary language when mentioning religion, indicating religious intolerance (MJL evidence), using sexually-charged language…" etc. I don't think I've seen that here, but if you have then please provide diffs. Short of a global ban, Commons tries not to take into account users' behavior on other wikis unless we see similar behavior here. - Jmabel ! talk 05:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Also (from same arbitration): " Laurel Lodged is indefinitely topic banned from maintaining categories. In addition to discussing categories and their maintenance, this includes – but is not limited to – directly adding or removing categories from pages, and moving or renaming categories."

Perhaps this behavior on Wikipedia may have some relevance on the Commons, since here the task is all about categories. Krok6kola (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Compared to Wikipedia its almost impossible to do anything on here that doesn't involve categories in some way, shape or form. So IMO any kind of action having to do with catefories because of their ban in that area on Wikipedia clearly wouldn't workable. I don't think their behavior from what I've seen really justifies it anyway. There's clearly some ambiguity about to categorize religions on here. Although you might justify banning them, and the other user involved in the ANU complaint, specifically from anything having to do with religion. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I'm not advocating anything regarding this editor on the Commons. Just a FYI. And I don't know much about categorizing religion anyway, and would not be involved in discussions regarding this issue. Krok6kola (talk) 15:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: OK. Thanks for the clarification. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: No. They were banned for things like misgendering people, etc. The heated discussion was over categories, so they were to be perma-banned from category work on en-wiki. This only becomes relevant if you can provide diffs showing similar behavior on this site. - Jmabel ! talk 15:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

DVIDSHub access

Joe, is there someone with a DVIDS account who could download a better version of File:RRDF floating pier near Gaza April 2024.webp? I got it from Defense Visual Information Distribution Service, a Department of Defense download site, but they require account creation in order to download the highest quality image. - Bri (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bri: Not me. You might ask at the Help desk rather than ask an individual. - Jmabel ! talk 17:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I posted over there. - Bri (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Most of the files in Category:TIFF images with categorized JPGs do not seem to have a corresponding JPG. I was told to put files labelled "Original.TIf, as in File:Berlin or bust (HS85-10-29541) original.tif there so I have. But other files in there . . . well, they don't necessarily have a JPG. No wonder editors are confused by the category. It's rather a mess. Krok6kola (talk) 02:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: If there isn't a mutually linked JPEG, then that's a problem, and they don't belong in the category. - Jmabel ! talk 02:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

That's what I think too. I can see the temptation for some of the NYPL TIF files that are very repetitive, but I think it is risky. I think allowing any exceptions to the rule of a linked JPG is asking for trouble. Krok6kola (talk) 02:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

• Some of them do have linked JPGs. e.g. File:Banner for AstroDay Chile (Banner-web-AstroDay).tiff. (I repeatedly told people they had to check!) Krok6kola (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Edvoro in

Hi Jmabel. Would you mind taking a look at Special:Contributions/Edvoro in? It seems to be nothing more than a spam account, but perhaps (unlike English Wikipedia) that's not expressly prohibited by Commons. The account only made two posts and then left; maybe they won't be back so perhaps nothing needs to be done. If they do come back and start doing the same thing again, is there anything that can be done? -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Total spam, unlikely ever to do anything useful. Jeff gave them a warning, which means if they do anything further they should be blocked. We view blocks here as preventative, not punitive, and I don't see evidence so far of anything we need to prevent. - Jmabel ! talk 15:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Understand. If they come back, then perhaps some action can be taken. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@MarchJuly: Sure. They've been warned, so if they come back and behave similarly they should presumably be blocked. - Jmabel ! talk 14:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Kathryn Kates images

Hi Jmabel. Would you mind taking a look at File:KKates 11.JPG, File:KK Headshot 11 14.jpg and File:Judd Hirsch and Kathryn Kates.jpg? The en:User:Jnkatesuploader states they are the brother of en:Kathryn Kates. The uploader states they're also an "art photographer". Do the first two need VRT verification given there isn't any EXIF data or other way to verify "own work" and they can also be seen here (also here in this September 2013 archived page). The photo of Kates and Judd Hirsch does have EXIF data and was taken by an iPhone so maybe that one is of clearer provenance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I'd be inclined to assume good faith, but you might let them know that you might not be the only person with doubts, and it would probably be good for them to remove doubt without waiting for any sort of confrontation. There are a couple of ways they can do that:

• Assuming File:KKates 11.JPG and File:KK Headshot 11 14.jpg are digital photos, it would be very helpful to upload a raw version with EXIF data as it came from the camera or phone. We can even suppress that shortly after it's uploaded if they don't want it floating around. Here's a typical example from my work of where I uploaded an "original" for reference, even though it's only a cropped version I want to use; here's one where the original is suppressed. I know I've had times when I first uploaded the "good" version, then uploaded the original for reference, then reverted to the "good" version, but I'd be hard-pressed to find one.
• The easiest way to show they are who they say they are is if they can make a public-facing post post from either a web site or social media account (Facebook, Flickr, whatever) that is clearly theirs. For example, I do this near the bottom of http://joemabel.com/, among other places. Then link back to that from their user page, so it can easily be found.

It seems to me that, between the two, that adds up to anything VRT can do, and has the added benefit that it (1) doesn't waste VRT's time and (2) can easily be checked by anyone (or, if the image is suppressed, any admin), rather than anyone with doubts needing to go through a ticket verification.

I hope that helps. Feel free to just aim them to my answer here, or to add whatever of your own. - Jmabel ! talk 14:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at these. Per your suggestion, I was going to post something about this on the uploader's user talk page on the oft chance that they might notice even though they haven't edited since 2014, but I then noticed that someone had already tagged them for speedy deletion in 2022 by someone else. The speedy tags were, however, removed by two different Commons admins, one of which who said they should be discussed at DR. Of course, other Commons admins might have done things differently, but given that at least three admins (you and the two who declined the speedy tags) seem to feel these aren't clear copyvios, assuming good faith might be the best thing to do here; so, that's what I'm going to do since I don't think the uploader is still around to provide versions with EXIF data, and I don't think the lack of EXIF data is going to be enough to establish a clear consensus to delete via DR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion please

See here. Might qualify for RevDel. Thanks! Gottagotospace (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gottagotospace: Of course it is PD, not licensed own work (which I'll fix). Other than that I don't see a problem, but you can nominate it for deletion if you think there is one. It's public record, so I don't see a problem hosting it. - Jmabel ! talk 00:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for your expertise. Gottagotospace (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Google translate

It stopped working for me. I've tried everything I can think of, including downloading a new version from Google Play. Krok6kola (talk) 02:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Just access it on the web. https://translate.google.com - Jmabel ! talk 03:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't realized how much I depended on it. Krok6kola (talk) 19:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Need help File:Idioma Balinés.png

Help me Changing the old map of the distribution of the Balinese language in English Wikipedia to this one more details to me

File:Idioma Balinés.png

Areas where Balinese language is spoken

Joese van (talk) 07:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Joese van: I have no significant knowledge of which map is more accurate. Why not make the edit yourself? - Jmabel ! talk 14:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts at the Help desk

Hi Jmabel! Thanks for your tireless efforts and extensive answers at Commons:Help desk. I was just passing by that page and was impressed by your contributions to a very important page on Commons. Commander Keane (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I just stumbled across Category:User needing help. If you have time could you work some magic there? Some of the requests are quite stale :-( Commander Keane (talk) 03:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Sequence of events

Hi Jmabel, at [1], I was wondering if you were aware that the user was indef blocked before making that comment. Enhancing999 (talk) 22:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't sure, but there is literally no action that would make that remark OK. And, frankly, his refusal to answer perfectly reasonable questions about the reasons for his actions was enough to make me completely uninterested in helping him out in any way. - Jmabel ! talk 22:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I came across the user's contributors when improving some categorization. I found them both good in terms of images and categorization. Thus I was somehow shocked when I read about the block.

I think he was inappropriately pressured by two admins before and the remarks by another user weren't actually helping either (I reported them at COM:AN/U). The discussion from May seemed rather stale to expect a comment about it. Even yesterday's discussion seemed subsequent to [2]. It's unclear why the blocking admin even engaged in this, as there appears to be no user report on WP:AN and they refuse to provide any diffs. Enhancing999 (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

My contributions are presumably reasonably good as well, but it doesn't give me a right to ignore reasonable questions or to tell people to f--k themselves. - Jmabel ! talk 22:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

They hadn't actually done that at the time they were indefinitely blocked. Enhancing999 (talk) 22:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

They'd done the former, but not yet the latter. But now they've done both, and I have no inclination to lift a finger on their behalf. Nor, to be honest, am I interested in discussing this further, sorry. - Jmabel ! talk 22:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Np. I find the conduct of the two involved admins somewhat concerning. Enhancing999 (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible deletions

Hi, there is a big long list of possible deletions Commons:Deletion requests/Professional wrestling magazines. In this list I happened to find some football players with enwiki articles. I hope whomever handles this sort of thing uses some judgment. The list is so long I couldn't sift through it. Krok6kola (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: it seems to be totally a copyright issue, not a scope issue. Not a lot of room for discretion. - Jmabel ! talk 23:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

That is bogus. They are not wrestlers, and they not marked on enwiki as fair use only. Krok6kola (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Huh? If these photos came from copyrighted magazines (it looks like some do and some don't) we can't host them on Commons, which is what a DR is about. - Jmabel ! talk 00:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

They have been cropped. So they are not part of whatever the original image was, and therefore OK from enwiki's point of view. (And I know they are very careful about that sort of thing.} Krok6kola (talk) 00:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola:

1. A crop is a derivative work of the photo it is cropped from. If that larger photo is a copyvio, so is the crop.
2. For living people, en-wiki's copyright standards for their photos are pretty much exactly the same as Commons'.
3. Of course, if we are deleting a photo of a deceased person for copyright reasons and en-wiki still wants it as their photo on the article in question, they can copy it to en-wiki and keep it as non-free use. If there are any where you think this is likely to arise, you can flag them in the DR and/or give a heads-up to someone who works on American football on en-wiki and might care.

Jmabel ! talk 00:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

File:Peter Doyle (author).jpg

File:Peter Doyle (author).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Calistemon (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Priscilla l Teaser Trailer.webm

Could i convince you to add your opinion? Apparently nobody seems to care Trade (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Transclusions of DRs on file talk pages

Hello, I've replaced many of your transclusions of DRs on file talk pages with {{Kept}}, see Special:Diff/897270826 for example. Would you please use {{Kept}} instead in the future? Jonteemil (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: just out of curiosity, what is the advantage of that? - Jmabel ! talk 01:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

The transclusion of a DR takes a lot of space on the talk page and would steal attention if another subject were to be discussed there. Also, COM:DR#Procedure tells us that that's the way it should be done. Jonteemil (talk) 01:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

File:Rogers Mall Plan.jpg

Do you think File:Rogers Mall Plan.jpg should be put up for deletion? I know for a fact I made the image, Arial Bold is claiming I have given no proof of ownership despite linking the old Angelfire account where I uploaded it back in the day. TenPoundHammer (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

File:FEC Thomas Crooks Donation 202102049425215728 189746.pdf

File:FEC Thomas Crooks Donation 202102049425215728 189746.pdf has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

SCP-2000 15:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about empty categories

Hi. There's a ton of empty duplicate categories in Category:Unicode FF00-FFEF Halfwidth and Fullwidth Forms. I don't want to nominate each one for speedy deletion individually though because it would be a major hassle. So would it be possible for you to just delete them all in one go for me? Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 04:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Empty categories, especially those that are part of something systematic like this, should be deleted only if they are not likely to be used. Have you had any discussion with User:Verdy p about his intent here? - Jmabel ! talk 04:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Me and Verdy P go way back and I rather not deal with him if I don't have to. Regardless at least one of the categories, Category:／, is redundant with Category:/ and the category it redirects to Category:Slash (punctuation). Same goes for Category:＋. Which is just redundant with Category:+ and it's redirect Category:Plus signs. So I really don't see what the point is here. Unless we need three different categories for the "+" symbol. I'm kind of at a loss as to why we would though and I'm not sure what Verdy P would say to change that. "Unicode FF00-FFEF Halfwidth and Fullwidth Forms" is nonsensical and goes against the naming guidelines anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Similarly, on your first point. We had a long drawn-out argument over geopolitical divisions within Spain, which I walked away from because it was clear that it mattered more to him to get his way than any importance I could attach to the topic. No, I am not getting further involved in this. - Jmabel ! talk 04:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough lol. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Naming guidelines are fully respected. Related data and links are accurate and make the difference to do exactly what is needed: proper disambiguation and correct usage. I don't understand your argument. There has been various discussions in the past stating that categories per character are useful and progressively filled up to show and explain the character variants and collect files from various open fonts or file formats. These categories and thir names are not equivalent (and the associated characters are NOT equivalent in form, use and encodings, they are not interchangeable). verdy_p (talk) 05:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Village pump discussion on PD-NWS template

They closed as delete. I have added a new section to the village pump discussion regarding the use of the template. You’re welcome to add your opinion to it. Thank you. WestVirginiaWX (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Source of deleted file from weather.gov

Hi Jmabel -- I'm curious to know which specific weather.gov page File:Aerial view of homes destroyed in Rolling Fork, Mississippi.jpg came from please. Unfortunately, this info isn't in the deletion request. --Rlandmann (talk) 06:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Sourced from https://www.noaa.gov/news/freight-train-of-atmospheric-rivers-brought-record-rain-snow-in-march. - Jmabel ! talk 14:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. -- Rlandmann (talk) 22:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The salad

Hi, To answer your question about this, it was what seemed to make sense as a question a new user might be asking. There's an element of guessing, but if that was not what they were asking, they can tell us. -- Asclepias (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Obvodny kahal Embankment at west from Novo-Kamenny bridge.jpg

File:Obvodny kahal Embankment at west from Novo-Kamenny bridge.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Kaganer (talk) 13:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Glossar

Commons:Glossar has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this project page, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Prototyperspective (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

VRT thoughts

Hi Jmabel -- Just in response to your suggestion about the VRT; I do actually CC them in on these conversations as I'm able. Some of the conversations happen on instant messaging apps of various kinds, and then there's also the issue that some folks drop the VRT address from CC in email (probably unintentionally, but still) or just stop replying.

A more systemic issue here is the peculiar way that these conversations run right now. As you've seen, the process is basically running backwards, where I'm testing for permission after the fact (sometimes long after...) while the folks who specifically want to see these files kept continue to insist that one specific reading of the NWS general disclaimer is all the evidence of permission they need.

So, I'm ending up basically asking rights holders to go to extra work/effort to prove that they don't want us to host their work, when the system is designed around the opposite assumption.

Thanks for all your support and assistance as I work through this chaos. I do feel like I'm on the downhill side of it now! --Rlandmann (talk) 07:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to know you thought about that. - Jmabel ! talk 07:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

So... what I've come up with is screenshotting conversations and mailing *that* to the VRT. Which honestly doesn't feel great, but is the best idea I've come up with in the current circumstances. --Rlandmann (talk) 23:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Rlandmann: Sure beats nothing. - Jmabel ! talk 08:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Not that different from sending a scan of paper correspondence. - Jmabel ! talk 08:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you -- that perspective makes me feel a lot better. --Rlandmann (talk) 10:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Letter from Selena at the Village Pump

Hi Jmabel, I hope you're fine. Since I know you're very active on the project, and given that we interacted a lot in the last year, I wanted to flag a potentially interesting discussion at the Village Pump, started by Selena Deckelmann about finding a better way of supporting Commons. Maybe you can consider, if you have time, to share your thoughts? Thanks in advance! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Blurring request

Hi Jmabel, I see you're an admin here, so you know the rules. Thank you for blurring the portrait within this image; would you consider also blurring the name that can be seen beneath it? There's an issue in Indian law, which mandates that victims' names not be published (currently being discussed on en.wiki with regard to text coverage, and a legal demand has been made to the WMF). Alternatively, perhaps re-upload the file with a lower resolution? I realise you're travelling, and I don't know whether Commons policy would allow either, but I thought I'd ask. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: as I commented on the DR, I see no valid reason to delete the name. The people who memorialized her clearly wished her name to be remembered, and we blurred the photo because of copyright reasons that do not apply to the name. If I were to be brutally murdered, I would certainly not want my own name kept a secret. As I also commented on the DR, you or someone else is welcome to start yet another DR and argue the case you are stating.

There is certainly no reason to upload the file at a lower resolution. Nothing about the candles or the shops in the background could possibly need to be suppressed. - Jmabel ! talk 04:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for considering and explaining; I thought it was worth asking. Sorry, I didn't know about the deletion request(s). I believe there's a conflict here between different notions of respect. In the West, we "say her name" to express sympathy with the victim and their family, to underline the victim's personhood, and thereby to shame the perpetrator(s) and increase pressure on the authorities. But in many traditional societies, victims' families are shamed (and worse). I don't pretend to understand those who would do such a thing, let alone condone it, but that's why laws against publishing victims' names exist, and having the victim's name easily findable online is apparently increasing the suffering of her family, even potentially endangering them. Respect operates the other way round in such places. So ... that was the reason for my request, just in case the rules would permit it. Yngvadottir (talk) 07:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: I totally understand the need to protect the name of a living victim, but in this case we have someone who is no longer alive, whose name apparently was in the newspapers including several in India, and where people locally displayed her name prominently when protesting. Obviously, if we get an actual court order from India, WMF Legal may order us to do something, but I'm not sure where on the spectrum you mention things stand in this case. I have a fair number of friends from India; certainly in Delhi, or Bangalore, or Hyderabad, many people would also now be on the "say her name" side. My knowledge of Kolkata is hopelessly out of date, from my father doing business there in the 1960s, and I would not attempt to make any guesses about the climate of that city in this respect at that time. - Jmabel ! talk 10:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

About moving gallery pages to project pages

Thanks a lot for moving so many gallery pages of "Wiki Loves ..." to project pages. My questions:

1. So there is one answer for Commons talk:Galleries#How to handle Gallery pages with a wrong format?: If it is about a project, then move the page to the project namespace. Is this correct?
2. I cannot find the "Project" namespace in the list Help:Namespaces. Should it be added?
3. Can any editor with rights to rename categories, files and other pages do that? If yes: How does it works? What is the instruction?
4. What is a good place to make a note to editors who used to make gallery pages for "Wiki Loves ...", that from now on they should use the format "Project page"?

JopkeB (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB: there is no "Project" namespace as such, but you will notice that pages in the "Commons" namespace are called "project pages".

Yes, you can move a Gallery page exactly the same way you move any other page.

I didn't try to do anything generic to inform people, just left notes on the user talk pages of people who seemed to have created a few of these.

In principle, you could have a gallery associated with a "Wiki Loves" project, but none of these were really galleries. - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank for the information. I'll make it a proposal on Commons talk:Galleries#How to handle Gallery pages with a wrong format?, then we have at least one solution. JopkeB (talk) 04:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Though, I am not allowed to move Commons:Oral History on Wiki in Albania & Kosovo 2024 because I have no rights to move translatable pages. I think this also is a project page. Do you have such rights? JopkeB (talk) 04:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB: Presumably, but why would you move Commons:Oral History on Wiki in Albania & Kosovo 2024? It seems to be in the right place. - Jmabel ! talk 07:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

You are right! My mistake, sorry. JopkeB (talk) 15:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Government

I am planning to email a government organization to try to convince them to release all the photographs on their website under a Commons license. Any advice? Trade (talk) 22:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

What agency? Advice may differ. And are you living within the area they govern? - Jmabel ! talk 08:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Trade - Jmabel ! talk 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:2013ElRenoOKtornado.jpg

I’ve replaced the image involved in the DR with free ones on the English Wikipedia article; (or in the case of the Greek Wikipedia, just removed it; they can put a free one back in, but I don’t understand Greek); the only one left is on ChessEric’s user page. I’m not going to unilaterally remove it from his user page without his consent; I’ll just let him do it.

But in terms of article space: it’s done, and I think you’re free to go ahead and delete it.

But when you do; please update the category to “National Weather Service-related deletion requests/deleted” (emphasis mine); because I’ve had to manually update a bunch of them with HotCat; and I don’t particularly like editing closed discussions, even if it’s to recategorize them. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

COM:ANI#Lascorpion

Hello, following this thread a bunch of the user's files have now been deleted. On User talk:Lascorpion they have answered in Romanian but the translation tools aren't that good so I don't quite get it. Would you be able to read it given your ro-2? Your the only admin who knows any Romanian. Jonteemil (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

And please also answer them in Romanian if you are able to. I suspect they are seeing logos on Wikipedia and then assuming that you can upload non-free logos here, not relizing that the non-free logos on Wikipedia are local uploads that follow the respective Wikipedia's rules regarding non-free content. As I said on COM:ANI, some of the files I tagged might of course be incorrect taggings so feel free to undelete any that might be free for whatever reason. Jonteemil (talk) 00:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Original:

exces de putere, dar ce elemente sofisticate au siglele cluburilor de este asa greu sa le faci in GIMP, ex; la Ingolstad 04 si un copil mic le poate face, sau Cannon Yaunde ce element am folosit din sigla clubului sa spui ca e la fel, unde e greseala, acel tun nu este la fel cu cel din sigla clubului, ce e asa greu sa il faci prin aplivatia GIMP.

Translation:

Exces of power, but which are the sophisticated elements of club logos that are so hard to make in GIMP? Even a young child can make the logo of Ingolstad 04, or in the case of Cannon Yaunde, which element have I used from the club logo that you say it’s the same? Where’s the mistake? That cannon is not the same as the one from the club logo. What is so hard to do through the GIMP app? Neoclassicism Enthusiast (talk) 18:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: right now I am in the middle of the Danube Delta with a phone but no PC. I probably can take this up in a few days, but not right now. There is some chance Neoclassicism Enthusiast might be willing and able to help out, doesn't need to come from an admin -Jmabel ! talk 14:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Of course it doesn't have to be an admin, but non-admins can't see the deleted files so there is an advantage with an admin replying. Non-admins might not get the context since they can't see the files. I'll let Lascorpion know that he'll get a reply in a few days. Jonteemil (talk) 18:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

sounds from his remark like this is about threshold of originality. Surely there is a Romanian language article about that Jmabel ! talk 04:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Many, if not all, of their, now deleted, uploads are surely derivative works, but some are closer to the original work than others. Therefore some should probably be seen as the uploader's own work rather than copyvios. Hard to tell which ones are and aren't though. Jonteemil (talk) 15:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Preview

Hi again. Thank you for all you do. I will promise to preview more if you do the same.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 13:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm missing context for that.

FWIW, I am in Romania, near the Black Sea, with a phone but no PC. I will soon be back in Bucharest & should have access to my laptop (but it needs a repair). Jmabel ! talk 15:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The biggest problem I remember is missed usernames in signatures, presumably from using five tildes. For instance, see special:diff/925720696. Also, your self-correction of special:diff/929528084 in special:diff/929538803 with weird summary.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 05:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Probably so. Editing from a phone is a pain in the butt. I hope to have a computer again any day now. Jmabel ! talk 05:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Good luck with that. Fatfingering with a phone is SO easy.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 06:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad that's resolved. When I had charging and wire length problems with my laptop, I ended up with multiple chargers and batteries, including a lightweight solution involving 60+W USB Type C charging (that can also charge my phone). Day-to-day, I don't even use the 6-cell backup factory battery, which was 2/3 the capacity of the new 9-cell one when it was new, but I may vacation with it if I have room and carrying capacity.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: A place called Doctor Laptop in a residential section of Bucharest did a great job for me. (They are mostly an e-shop selling parts, but they have a physical repair shop.) It turned out to be just something loose, and they didn't charge me at all to fix it. I didn't feel OK paying nothing, so I bought a European-plug cord for my charger, which turned out to be all of 25 RON, about US$6. - Jmabel ! talk 15:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Zimbabwe dollars

As seen in Category:Banknotes of Zimbabwe; the copyright warning only allows for bills demonetized before 11 November 2019; but based on Zimbabwe copyright law; shouldn’t the warning say 31 August 2024? Because the ZWL dollar was completely demonetized then and replaced with the ZiG. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I posted it on the village pump twice but did not get an adequate answer to my question. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I posted it on the village pump twice but did not get an adequate answer to my question. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricane Clyde: I have no particular knowledge of this topic. - Jmabel ! talk 19:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Then could you by any chance direct me to someone who does? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricane Clyde: If I knew, I would have put that in my response.

Just to clarify: you say you asked this "on the village pump". If it was on the VP proper, you might try COM:Village pump/Copyright, a much better place for copyright-related questions. But if VP/C is what you meant then, no, I have no other suggestion. Jmabel ! talk 19:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

it was on VP/C. I asked twice but both discussions grew stale and ended up getting archived. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/User:Dronebogus/More random images I find interesting or amusing

I closed this because it seemed like there was literally no other way it could go and most of the votes were “speedy keep” i.e, the nomination was not merely incorrect but invalid. If you think this was inappropriate of me as an involved non-admin feel free to revert. Dronebogus (talk) 03:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: while I would have closed it as "keep," I think that as in involved party (and then some, given that the page is in your user space) you were pretty much the last person who should have closed it. I would certainly not have done what you did for one of the pages in my own user space. - Jmabel ! talk 03:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I understand, but do you think it was a bad enough decision to revert it? Dronebogus (talk) 06:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: No, I just think you hurt your reputation by doing something like that. - Jmabel ! talk 12:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Understood Dronebogus (talk) 12:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

For reference User:Counterfeit Purses has reverted my close; while they are technically in the right, the fact that they opened it, anf are literally the only supporter, makes it seem borderline vexatious. I’d like a second opinion on this. Dronebogus (talk) 09:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: my opinion, as you know, is that you shouldn't have closed it in the first place. FWIW, he shouldn't have reopened it either, but pot, meet kettle.

My advice, if you want it: just ignore it, wait for an admin to close it. It will presumably be a "keep." - Jmabel ! talk 10:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus I don't know why you thought it would be appropriate for you to close that discussion. Just wait for an admin to close it. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 14:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Counterfeit Purses: I agree closing it was a mistake because of my heavily involved status, but reopening it as the sole opposing opinion and opener just so it can almost certainly be re-closed as “keep” (which is objectively the consensus) is w:wp:wikilawyering. IMO you are the one who is looking worse here. Dronebogus (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I was simply restoring it to the way it was before your ill-advised action. My involvement is irrelevant (other than no one else was likely to notice and do it themselves). What would you have had me do - ask an admin to revert you? @Jmabel If you would like to close it, I have no objection. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 15:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Counterfeit Purses: I tried to continue this elsewhere so Jmabel wouldn’t have to deal with 500 irrelevant talk page alerts but you insta-reverted me and told me I was a persona non grata. The points I made are still valid. I am no longer responding to you unless you keep pestering me with vexatious deletion reports and I have to take it to ANU Dronebogus (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus I have already asked you to stay off my talk page. I gave my reasons for opening the deletion discussion. If others disagree, that's fine. Just let the process run its course. There's no need for any of this. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 18:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Requests for someone to stay off your talk page carry very little weight when you're also nominating pages from their userspace for deletion. If you want to disengage, then disengage; don't expect it to be a one-way business. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Andy Dingley I hate to clutter Jmabel's talk page even more, but the request to stay off my talk page should not be dependent on whether or not I have opened a deletion discussion. Dronebogus is not welcome on my talk page and they know that. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Counterfeit Purses: if you want someone to leave you alone, you would do well to leave them alone. The idea that it is somehow better to have this fight on my talk page rather than your own is absurd. And at this point: if you are not willing to drop this, please take it somewhere else. - Jmabel ! talk 02:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel What am I supposed to drop? All of the discussion here is because Dronebogus closed a deletion discussion for their own page instead of waiting for someone else to do it. Trust me, I don't want to discuss it and I never did. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Counterfeit Purses: and then, out of some concern about process, you reopened a discussion that (even if incorrectly closed) is obviously headed toward a consensus to keep, from which you are the only dissenter. And then you came to my talk page to discuss it, even though my only involvement had been to make one comment in the original discussion.

I don't really care why you did that. I'd just like you to stop. - Jmabel ! talk 02:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

+++

I would have closed this myself as an uninvolved non-admin, except that just having voted keep here already would, IMHO, rule me out as such. For you to do it? Bad move. Obvious bad move. The reversion even more so. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Similarly: I commented, so I'm not really the right one to close it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

AlkyzawyHsyen

Hello. I noticed that this user, whose vandalism I reported to you in June, is at it again. He has again added references to terrorism to the captions of several files related to Syria, and has also swapped the Arabic captions of the Baath Party and Palestinian flags. You can check his edits since October (there are not many) to see this. I know that you have notified him that he will be blocked if he continues his vandalism. I think it is time to implement this warning. 5.142.178.40 02:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Vijayaranjini 1984 vaadiraj movieset reshoot (better aspect ratio).jpg

File:Vijayaranjini 1984 vaadiraj movieset reshoot (better aspect ratio).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

2406:7400:107:27ED:0:0:0:1 17:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Vijayaranjini 1984 vaadiraj movieset (better aspect ratio).jpg

File:Vijayaranjini 1984 vaadiraj movieset (better aspect ratio).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

2406:7400:107:27ED:0:0:0:1 17:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Seattle - Cafe Munir, 2020 (54038527999).jpg

Hi! You uploaded a version that is bigger than the version on Flicker. I wonder how you did that? MGA73 (talk) 09:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Aha there was a link to https://archives.seattle.gov/digital-collections/index.php/Detail/objects/259399 in description field. --MGA73 (talk) 12:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@MGA73: exactly. This is the case on the vast majority of images we have from Seattle Municipal Archives. Also, if we want other images from them that they haven't publicly licensed via Flickr, they have always been very cooperative. See, for example, Category:PD Seattle Neighborhood Atlas. They even proactively contacted me when they were changing their URL scheme to make sure we wouldn't end up with a bunch of useless dead links. - Jmabel ! talk 18:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Seals_of_Canada

Seals of Canada has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 16:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

a question (again)

What happens to all the penis pictures? Is there a category for them? Or categories based on differences? Krok6kola (talk) 02:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: probably, but I'm not particularly the one to ask. I'm guessing that you are familiar with COM:PENIS. Category:Human penis (NSFW, of course) has 30-odd immediate subcats. - Jmabel ! talk 03:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Carrer dels Dominics

Hi! I noticed that you created the category Carrer dels Domenics in Barcelona and some other categories for buildings on this street, but there is a little misspelling. It's not Carrer dels Domenics but Carrer dels Dominics, with i, not e. Could you correct them? There are a lot of pictures in all these categories. Thanks for your great job! Enric (talk) 01:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done - Jmabel ! talk 06:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Gaussian blur

Thanks, Krok6kola (talk) 00:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Aviator Tomb.jpg

File:Aviator Tomb.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

A1Cafel (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)